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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Belated Thanks and a Question (my apologies, this post actually mentions the Dead)

GOP, I for one could care less if you have other poster names or not. All I know is that all, well except for one rather graphic one from long ago, the posts under your name have been entertaining and informative. I noted your kind words from the weekend and while flattered, I also feel that I am not alone in trying to keep things above the fray here and attempting to keep things on track with quality posts that are actually related to the Grateful Dead. We still have some folks who regularly contribute good show recommendations, reveiws and some fascinating trivia. Keep it up you guys. Your work is noted and appreciated. It is these people who manage to keep this train on the track and moving forward and I hope they continue, we need all the help we can get. Seems like 90% of the posts here are now related to folks yelling at one another about who is a "poser" and who is a "cocksucker". Face it, we're all assholes on some level. Glass houses people, glass houses.

As for my question, what is your favorite show opener and what show has your favorite version? I'm in the mood to sample some stuff and I'd like to get some input on personal favorites.
My favorite normal show opener is a good Jack Straw and I love the version from 8/27/83 Seattle http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-08-27.aud.hinko.16439.sbeok.shnf. Great sound and Phil really cranks it up a notch. My favorite unusual opener would have to be the China/Rider from 11/24/79 http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-24.sbd.clugston.10022.sbeok.shnf. Cant think of a better way to get a show movin', especially this absolutely stunning version (as many of you are probably sick of me still gushing over).
Your input?

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Poster: Kenny_Loggins Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Most of us do care because dishonesty is like pissing on a barbecue. It ruins the meat and stinks up the place.

Shakedown--always a great opener.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

I'm all for not pissing on this barbeque. But you should also include the increasingly agressive and negative posts that have started to appear more and more as contributing to the stream of urine dampening our cook out.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Question: Is the phrase: "Fuck you, you fucking fuck" an example of negative bashing or is it an endearing greeting exchanged among assholes?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

In my hometown it would be considered a heartfelt declaration of brotherly love. So fucking, fuck you, Earl. B. Fucking Powell.

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Poster: Shirley Oldschool III Date: Oct 8, 2007 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

No No fuck you, so fuck you Too......a chuch key and a Budweiser is a fine opener.

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Poster: Jim Messina Date: Oct 8, 2007 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Who needs a church key when lighter works just as well.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

That one is kind of on the fence in my opinion. You really need a good read on the face of the speaker and any hidden inflections to differentiate between a "Die you cocksucker" intent, and a "Die slowly, you cocksucker". It's all about subtleties with that one.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 8, 2007 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question (my apologies, this post actually mentions the Dead)

Half-Step is my favorite of the normal rotation openers and this one is a smoker:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-11-06.sbd.nawrocki.283.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Well said--yes, I think that things roll on here without there being anything to be gained by lamenting the uninteresting posts, or the righteously offended parties. In fact, most all of the folks upset at one time or another have my sympathy--I can understand why each of them, in their own way has a beef. I don't say that because I am some overly sensitive New Age feelgood meister, but it helps let it go and move on to the next post without carrying it along with you. I still find it easy enough to interact with folks hereabouts--the regulars still seem to seek you out if you have a question or even a rehash of a familiar topic (like me & 68).

I did notice that you and I are singled out now and again as "good guys" though I still wonder if that will amount to any significant cash prizes...the old timers coming round more and more, or even whenever they can is good enough for me for the moment.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

New Age Feelgood Meister?

Outstanding self-labelling. Never crossed my mind before, but now that you mention it...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

If I were really that guy I would have answered your question.

Figured I'd save you the trouble of having to hear once again about the value of the early era.

Always thought that MoftheMoon would have been a great one to start off--right into DS.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Might as Well is a pretty sweet opener.

try this one on for size:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-10-29.sbd.kempa.280.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Excellent example from yet another exemplary 77 show. Haven't listened to that one in a while, think I'll remedy that right now.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 8, 2007 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

I was just listening to that last week. Outstanding Estimated > Eyes.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Just wanted to say thanks again for the referral. Am cranking this one as we speak and I had forgotten just how damn good a show this is. Perfect tonic for this recent deluge of repeated posts and self-promotion (although we haven't been hit with any of that today). Thanks again, in the middle of a smokin' Let It Grow as we speak. All is right with the world.

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Poster: wineland Date: Oct 8, 2007 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

I was at the beach this weekend with the family. I had the lyrics in my head over and over again. Came to the Archive this morning to get a good version. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Grendel.

Never had such a good time in my life before
I'd like to have it one time more
Whoa! One good ride from start to end,
I'd like to take that ride again, again!


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Hey, I always love pushing my favorite show.

Lou D is right on about that Estimated>Eyes, too....I never get tired of that Eyes especialy....jam into the final verse is beyond description.

and that "MightySwell" just sets the tone for the whole damn show!

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Poster: Jim Messina Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

There might good reason as to why that is said about you (being a good guy).

Maybe because unlike Ghost of Lies you do not seem to ever get caught up in shenanigans like he does. You never go that far over the top and you try to handle the madness rationally. When Ghost tries to fight the shenanigans he uses subterfuge and deceit to fight it. Personally, I also think he is 'richbutnotwealthy" but thats not provable yet. But people like Ghost can not help themselves and he will come back and expose himself again. It's inevitable for whack jobs like that.

As far as answering you don't care if Ghost has fake names or does that or this. I find that funny that you scream for the nonsense to stop but when someone is caught doing nonsense. You say "you don't care" because some of his posts are informative etc. sometimes. I don't understand that. How can you scream for the nonsense to stop and on the other hand continually support one of the people that cause the nonsense. Face it Ghost is one of the several fake and trouble making posters on here. As soon as you accept that and blast him for it the closer it will get to going away.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 10, 2007 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Viola Lee Blues - a grrreat opener!

as in:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-02-02.sbd.jools.15801.sbeok.shnf




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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Oct 8, 2007 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question


I like a rockin' opener. I like "Promised Land" a lot to open a show, typical as that may be. Hey, it christened the wall of sound, right? That must've been one hell of a trip on the floor, "hey are all the freaking speakers blowing or isitjustmeEEEEE?"

"Jack Straw," also good. I like 9/4/79 very much, Bobby sings his parts like he means it, but also makes a funny: "now we play for Clive." I like my Jack Straws told to Shannon (and my Losers sans sweet Susie), and Shannon's there (maybe she always was in '79, I'm not down with the stats like some folks).

"Feel like a Stranger" is good, pulling everyone together for take off, as is "Shakedown." "Half Step" always felt like it should come later on in the show, somehow, the repeated chorus at the end just feels "later in the show" to me.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Ok, I’ll play Dead. I like that game. In fact I much prefer it to some of the other games that have been played around here of late. A good opener? Well now how about Truckin’ – a sure sign to my mind that they’re hitting the ground running. As an example I suggest 04-08-71 at the Boston Music – sadly absent from the Archive or I’d give you a link. Might As Well is a fine opening number too, I feel, a pointer to good times ahead. I mean who can deny, who can deny the excellence of this show? www.archive.org/details/gd77-10-29.sbd.kempa.280.sbeok.shnf

(ok I was just about to hit send when I noticed that grendelschoice had beaten me to it – no reason to change my mind though - the man is obviously a poster of taste and discretion after all!)


Of openers at the handful of shows I attended, at the Rainbow on 20-03-81 they started off with Feel Like a Stranger, which actually isn’t one of my favourite songs, but was a pretty effective opener setting the scene very nicely.

I will artfully dodge nominating favourite versions of these songs for the moment. A tip of the hat to your 79 China/Rider, though my preference would be for the rough-hewn charms of the 31-12-69 outing of that sterling opener.

On a personal note, GOP has always (to my knowledge at least) eventually unmasked himself and claimed ownership of his views and been prepared to defend them. You can’t ask more of a poster than that. I consider the guy a friend.

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Poster: Jim Messina Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

He has you snowed that for sure. This is what he does best snow people.

He only admits his deeds when call out on them! Not before but after.

You don't find it strange he moved posts around after telling everyone "he hasn't been around here for a month" the day before and right after "richbutnotwealthy" made that offensive repetitive post! Yeah Ghost of Lies is suspect and I hope you wake up and see it.

That does not strike you funny? Why would someone do that that doesn't "post here anymore".

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

I remember this (?) opener, a chiller diller Morning Dew:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-06-06.sbd.ashley.2172.sbeok.shnf


and Cryptical is a good opener, or even better, a mean ol Alligator like this one:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-01-22.sbd.weiner.8583.sbeok.shnf


http://www.rockandrollbadboy.com/hollywood_diaries/brett_meisner_alpine_valley_dead_show/

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Oct 8, 2007 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question (my apologies, this post actually mentions the Dead)

Playing In The Band for my unusual from Foxboro 7-2-89. It is a PITB with a few pimples but it goes into Crazy Fingers and that really was cool to see.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 8, 2007 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question (my apologies, this post actually mentions the Dead)

Although I was not there I always like the 1985 NYE opener of Not Fade Away>Touch of Grey. Very uptempo and out of the blue. Great segue to boot. Legend has it that notes were passed out in the parking lot to start the NFA chant when they hit the stage. Maybe not the best opener but unique and well executed.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Oct 8, 2007 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

I was at the Alpine Valley show that was released as the Downhill From Here video which opened with a little Sam Cooke number that went something like this:

Get in the groove & let the good times roll
I'm gonna stay here till I soothe my soul
If it take all night long
Yeah, everybody let the good times roll
We're gonna stay here till we soothe our souls
If it take all night long

I always thought that one was a good opener. Lyrics obtained from
http://www.onewest.net/~roxtar/lyrics/cooke_sam.html

Actually my favorite opener I ever saw was another Alpine show that was eventually released as Dick's Picks 32: Music Never Stopped>Sugaree>Music Never Stopped---that one's pretty hard to top.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question

Yes I love that Alpine: MNS> Sugaree> MNS.
I also always liked Bertha as an opener. Check out this Berth > Good Love> Sugaree opening combo http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-12-30sbd.gardner.9754.sbeok.shnf

As for wild&crazy openers This http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-06-17.sbd.gardner.3591.sbeok.shnf
Eyes of the World opener is pretty damn excellent.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Oct 8, 2007 10:01am
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That is one exceptionally atypical song listing (the '91 show, that is, although the '89 has its share of surprises, too). I'm going to try to find the time to give it/both a listen. Thanks.

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:24am
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Hey, was that Alpine '89? I was at there, somewhere, in all that mud. That was quite a-- however many days. More wide-open sales and trading I've never seen, po-po nowhere to be found. Some hodad stole me shoes. Otherwise, wow.

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Poster: Tommy Gunn Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:45am
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Favorite show opener- 1/2 Step
http://www.archive.org/details/gd78-04-15.sbd.cotsman.7047.sbefail.shnf

Unusual show opener- Doin' that rag
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-02-15.sbd.winters.16664.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: BryanE Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:42am
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'89 sounds about right. Hard to keep the dates of the Alpine shows straight in my head. It's one of those "all the years combine" kinds of things, ce n'est pas? Many, many good memories, though.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Oct 8, 2007 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Belated Thanks and a Question (my apologies, this post actually mentions the Dead)

At this point, my answer would be that any show opener would be great, seeing as how it's been since '95.

My personal favorite opener of a Show I attended was Feel like a Stranger at the Fox in Atlanta in '85. They just burnt the place to a crisp right out of the gate and that small venue held all the energy in the room bouncing around for the rest of the show.